I weep for my beloved island and for "our ancestors who survived two centuries of Penal Laws" and who passed down to us strong Christian values... Life without a divine compass is like a dinghy without a rudder
God is real. To me that is as self-evident as saying water is wet.
But not everyone agrees (on the existence of God). Some genuinely don't believe in God, and I have no problem with them. Others either know the truth and try to dupe the rest of us, or they simply don't care one way or the other. Such people are cynics and opportunists, or worse.
God will never force our hand. We can choose to believe or we can reject the very idea. But, thanks to our free will, it is entirely our decision and no one else's
It would be more on their line to remove the references to the ‘common good’ which I believe is being used in the Irish constitution to justify things like one person needs to take a vaccine to protect the general public. I personally have no interest in the common good because I am not a socialist or a communist.
Louise it's good that you have brought attention to this impending proposal to change our constitution in relation to this oath to God therein. Whether one is in favour or resistant to this proposal is important and a proper inclusive debate is needed but all that we will get is the same old sterile setup confrontations with the payed out useless protagonists of Maria Steen and David Quinn up against the ubiquitous NGO governing cadre in Ireland and it will become a pointless and a divisive debate when the really fundamentally importance of voting rights for Irish emigrants is sidelined long after the constitutional committee advocated that there should be a referendum to remedy this obvious injustice over a decade ago. The god squabbling between the likes of Gemma O'Doherty and the bought and obedient judiciary will drag this country into the mud and then stuck in the mire complaining about foreign immigrants getting more benefits than the indigenous Irish when the Irish themselves turn their backs on our sons and daughters born here by refusing to give them any input into changing the country in elections or referendums fromabroad. We couldn't give a damn about our own but are obsessed one way or another by external perceptions and "foreign intruders". In short Ireland is beset with groupthink and sectional interests and the more mindless and fractured the debate becomes the more debilitating and decisive it is for the Irish people. The theatre has just started with all the usual arguments and the programmed political agenda.
My brother is long gone out of this country and I don’t believe he’d have a clue how to vote in an upcoming election. I also don’t think he’d bother voting. I wouldn’t be pro giving the vote to people that have emigrated unless they’re only gone one or two years - the longer they’re gone, the more out of touch they are with Ireland.
I have heard all these rather selfish and lame responses to giving our people living abroad a basic human right to vote. The Irish living on the island of Ireland seem to have a knee jerk negative reaction to this proposal.
Firstly most irish people I know here don't have a clue what they are voting for because of the indoctrination, political propaganda and downright lies that are told in the Irish mainstream media. Secondly the amount of people that actually vote in elections here is below 50%in many constituencies and as low as 30%in important referendums.
I know that you'll find more excuses not to grant your brother the vote even though he may know more about what's going on in Ireland than many Irish people living here.
Here's how it should be done;
1 You need to born in Ireland and have an Irish passport for 10 years.
2 You must have emigrated within the last twenty years.
3 You must register yourself as an overseas Irish voter either at an Irish embassy or in a new government agency setup to accommodate our emigrants who are keen to vote, As you said many will not choose to vote just as in Ireland but that doesn’t mean that we deprive everyone else of their right to vote or does it?
There are a number of other stipulations and verifications that I would also add to the three that I listed above but I know that my words are falling on deaf ears because Irish people seemingly are incapable of thinking for themselves and dare I say outside the box when it comes to giving our emigrants the same voting rights as immigrants have after staying in this country for a relatively short time.
Your opposition has been noted and most Irish people have the same narrow minded selfish outlook I'm afraid to say, so nothing will change until the emigrants outnumber us in the polling booth and make up new rules for themselves and their brothers and sisters.
Yes, Ireland “moving away from its Christian heritage” is a good thing. It’s not even up for debate. The secularists in Ireland deserve the world’s praise.
That greasy little libshit Ward votes with Cairns crowd, SF and PbP on every vote to increase availability of abortion and remove 3 day (3 WHOLE DAYS, oh the humanity) reflection period. Typical amoral FG cynical opportunist.
I weep for my beloved island and for "our ancestors who survived two centuries of Penal Laws" and who passed down to us strong Christian values... Life without a divine compass is like a dinghy without a rudder
God is real. To me that is as self-evident as saying water is wet.
But not everyone agrees (on the existence of God). Some genuinely don't believe in God, and I have no problem with them. Others either know the truth and try to dupe the rest of us, or they simply don't care one way or the other. Such people are cynics and opportunists, or worse.
God will never force our hand. We can choose to believe or we can reject the very idea. But, thanks to our free will, it is entirely our decision and no one else's
Ireland’s return to God will be a long and winding road. Secularisism will .not give up its gains easily.
Shame on the Irish media for avoiding the butcher of Belfast story, but then they have no shame.
It would be more on their line to remove the references to the ‘common good’ which I believe is being used in the Irish constitution to justify things like one person needs to take a vaccine to protect the general public. I personally have no interest in the common good because I am not a socialist or a communist.
I agree with you. What's it doing in there?
The common good is not a socialist concept! It's possibly the main teaching of Jesus Christ when he said
"Love thy neighbour as thyself "
that holds true for Irish people living abroad also!
Corrections, played out not payed out obviously and derisive not decisive. Damned predictive text!
Louise it's good that you have brought attention to this impending proposal to change our constitution in relation to this oath to God therein. Whether one is in favour or resistant to this proposal is important and a proper inclusive debate is needed but all that we will get is the same old sterile setup confrontations with the payed out useless protagonists of Maria Steen and David Quinn up against the ubiquitous NGO governing cadre in Ireland and it will become a pointless and a divisive debate when the really fundamentally importance of voting rights for Irish emigrants is sidelined long after the constitutional committee advocated that there should be a referendum to remedy this obvious injustice over a decade ago. The god squabbling between the likes of Gemma O'Doherty and the bought and obedient judiciary will drag this country into the mud and then stuck in the mire complaining about foreign immigrants getting more benefits than the indigenous Irish when the Irish themselves turn their backs on our sons and daughters born here by refusing to give them any input into changing the country in elections or referendums fromabroad. We couldn't give a damn about our own but are obsessed one way or another by external perceptions and "foreign intruders". In short Ireland is beset with groupthink and sectional interests and the more mindless and fractured the debate becomes the more debilitating and decisive it is for the Irish people. The theatre has just started with all the usual arguments and the programmed political agenda.
My brother is long gone out of this country and I don’t believe he’d have a clue how to vote in an upcoming election. I also don’t think he’d bother voting. I wouldn’t be pro giving the vote to people that have emigrated unless they’re only gone one or two years - the longer they’re gone, the more out of touch they are with Ireland.
I have heard all these rather selfish and lame responses to giving our people living abroad a basic human right to vote. The Irish living on the island of Ireland seem to have a knee jerk negative reaction to this proposal.
Firstly most irish people I know here don't have a clue what they are voting for because of the indoctrination, political propaganda and downright lies that are told in the Irish mainstream media. Secondly the amount of people that actually vote in elections here is below 50%in many constituencies and as low as 30%in important referendums.
I know that you'll find more excuses not to grant your brother the vote even though he may know more about what's going on in Ireland than many Irish people living here.
Here's how it should be done;
1 You need to born in Ireland and have an Irish passport for 10 years.
2 You must have emigrated within the last twenty years.
3 You must register yourself as an overseas Irish voter either at an Irish embassy or in a new government agency setup to accommodate our emigrants who are keen to vote, As you said many will not choose to vote just as in Ireland but that doesn’t mean that we deprive everyone else of their right to vote or does it?
There are a number of other stipulations and verifications that I would also add to the three that I listed above but I know that my words are falling on deaf ears because Irish people seemingly are incapable of thinking for themselves and dare I say outside the box when it comes to giving our emigrants the same voting rights as immigrants have after staying in this country for a relatively short time.
Your opposition has been noted and most Irish people have the same narrow minded selfish outlook I'm afraid to say, so nothing will change until the emigrants outnumber us in the polling booth and make up new rules for themselves and their brothers and sisters.
Yes, Ireland “moving away from its Christian heritage” is a good thing. It’s not even up for debate. The secularists in Ireland deserve the world’s praise.
That greasy little libshit Ward votes with Cairns crowd, SF and PbP on every vote to increase availability of abortion and remove 3 day (3 WHOLE DAYS, oh the humanity) reflection period. Typical amoral FG cynical opportunist.